RdW Podcast: The quest for implementation

In the podcast Law in Action, academics talk about their research and how law works in practice. The guests are academics who contributed to the special issue “The quest for implementation” of the Journal of Empirical Research on Law in Action (Recht der Werkelijkheid).

The episodes are available at:

Spotify: Law in Action / Recht der Werkelijkheid | Podcast on Spotify
Podimo: Law in Action / Recht der Werkelijkheid (podimo.com)
Apple: Law in Action / Recht der Werkelijkheid op Apple Podcasts

The quest for implementation: introducing Season 4 and your hosts
Season 4 of the podcast Law in Action revolves around this year’s special issue, “The quest for implementation: can governments still get things done?”, of the Journal of Empirical Research on Law in Action (Recht der Werkelijkheid). In this episode you will meet your hosts: Paulien de Winter, assistant professor of empirical legal research at the University of Groningen, and Heinrich Winter, professor of public administration at the University of Groningen. They’ll talk you through the set-up of the season and the background of the podcast.

The quest for implementation: a conversation with Maarten Bouwmeester
In recent years, there have been multiple ‘system failures’ in the domain of automated social security enforcement across welfare states. The Dutch childcare benefits scandal is an especially alarming example, among other reasons because of the scope of systemic weaknesses in the rule of law system (Rechtsstaat). As part of a broader investigation into system-level risks in the digital welfare state, Maarten Bouwmeester examines the (mal)functioning of rule of law control mechanisms in the childcare benefits scandal.

The quest for implementation: a conversation with Koen Migchelbrink
How to shift blame for the childcare benefits affair? In the aftermath of the childcare benefits affair, elected officials, parliamentarians, public officials and the judiciary engaged in blame games to deal with, shift, and minimize their own role in the affair. In this podcast, Koen Migchelbrink provides a reconstruction of the childcare benefits affair and analyzes how politicians, administrators and the judiciary played the blame game based on the paper he wrote with Sandra van Thiel.

The quest for implementation: a conversation with Lucas Michael Haitsma
In the Netherlands, social security organizations employ algorithmic profiling technologies to combat fraud, but the use of these tools poses risks of algorithmic discrimination. This episode explores how the use of algorithmic profiling technologies can lead to discriminatory outcomes that clash with the right to non-discrimination. Drawing on expert interviews and the Dutch Childcare Benefits Scandal, Lucas Michael Haitsma discusses how unmitigated risks of discrimination interact to produce discriminatory outcomes and emphasize the crucial need for a lifecycle approach in identifying and mitigating risks of algorithmic discrimination.

The quest for implementation: a conversation with David Barrett
In England and Wales, the implementation of equality and human rights norms has been lacking. Through semi-structured interviews, David Barrett explores the legal consciousness of individuals responsible for the implementation of these norms in regulators, inspectorates and ombuds. Through this work it is possible to see different types of legal consciousness and how legal consciousness influences implementation.

The quest for implementation: a conversation with Fanni Gyurko
The elimination and the regulation of informal payments in the state-funded health care sector is an on-going policy fiasco in the post-socialist Hungary. Fanni Gyurko analysed patients’ and doctors’ perceptions regarding the state regulation of ‘thank-you-money’ and she also inquired what these actors actually perceive as ‘law’. She concluded that although the elimination of the informal payments by using either forbidding or encouraging formal interventions is difficult, greater transparency throughout the healthcare sector would eliminate some of the coercive factors that patients are faced with in relation to the doctors.

The quest for implementation: a conversation with Jin Ho Verdonschot
In recent years, indications emerged that the assumption of self-efficacy in the Dutch Legal Aid Law might have been an impediment for accessing subsidised legal aid for citizens who suffered from the childcare benefits situation. The temporary Arrangement Advice Certificate Self-efficacy envisages to fix this potential flaw. Jin Ho Verdonschot, together with his colleagues Carla van Rooijen, Susanne Peters and Corry van Zeeland,  shows how insights in the people using the arrangement, their legal problems and situations, the nature and effectiveness of interventions under the arrangement, and the experiences of people and the professionals helping them, can inform changes in policy.

These podcasts are made possible by:
VSR Recht en Samenleving , Boom Juridisch and Spraakmaker Media.

The special issue: 2 2023 · Recht der Werkelijkheid · BJu Tijdschriften